Tuesday, March 25, 2008

An AmericanNeoCon has something to say...

...but believes it right & proper to piss his words out anywhere he sees fit (in this case in the "Protest symbol turns 50" thread, below, as though anything he posted had the slightest thing to do with peace)

Repsac: Are you and Biobrain calling me names over at that old thread?

Since you linked to it, the thread shows that Biobrain went limp after I applied the same logic to his arguments. But here's my comment tonight:

"A nutjob?

I don't recall, Biobrain, that you'd resort to argumentium ad hominem, but in reveiwing the debate here, I do recall how sleazy your debating practices ended up being, particularly when you you wouldn't apply a fact based rebuttal to your own arguments.

Look at the debate here. You can see that once I applied a strict decision rule about your example of judges, you were flummoxed.

Here's a quote for you:

"Conservatives have long been amazed by liberals who ask, indeed demand, of every conservative they meet to give reasons for each and every of their views, yet when faced with logical answers that astound them, either retort with some jibberish that bears no relevance to the issue being discussed, make some snide remark, or immediately seek to change the subject that they themselves so insistently started."

I applied it to Repsac as well. You're two peas in a pod, and obviously you've sunk to a new low with the name calling.

Totally. Intellectually. Dishonest. Repsac's no better."


Yes, NeroCon (who fiddles while America burns) I believe I did call you a name or two at that old thread (this old thread: And Doctor Biobrain's Response Is...: Why Bush Invented Terrorism and the Ideology of Hate... ...and perhaps elsewhere, too...

If you can call me an anti-intellectual fraud, I can reply in kind... (I know... It's all different when you dip into the insult pool, because when you say it--& seemingly by virtue of your saying it alone, & nothing more--it's all true... Get a friggin' life.)

As far as your cute & cuddly little quote, I replied to it on your blog, the first of the three times you've posted it this eve... (1, 2, and here makes 3) I contend that it doesn't apply to the conversation we were having there, as you have not seen fit to answer any of my requests for evidence in support of your many claims, let alone do so employing anything in the way of logic.

Aside that, it can just as easily be turned around so as to be a leftwing slogan against the right, a christian slogan against jews, or a white slogan against blacks... There is nothing that makes it apply any better to one group over another... ...& considering how piss poorly you've been doing in defending your points & backing up your claims of late, I really don't think you want folks to think too hard on the subject of good debate techniques, lest they apply such things to the words you write.

I was just checking out the rest of the article from which your "conservatives have long been..." quote comes, and landed on this little bit: CFP: The Root Cause of Why Some Liberals Are Unresponsive to Logic and Debate: "He or she does not have to give proofs and those who dare to challenge the scientist’s assertions are heretics."

Now, who does that quote about proof (& indeed the title of the whole article, save the misplaced word "liberal") really describe; me, or you? Think about it...

7 comments:

repsac3 said...

A pair of quotes that speak volumes... (from the same post, no less)
American Power: Blogging Foreign Policy: Bereft of Credentials, Left Strains to Shift Debate: "For example, I recently took down Josh Marshall, the publisher of Talking Points Memo, for his disastrously shallow attempt at foreign policy analysis (see 'Uninformed Comment: Josh Marshall on American Military Power'). Not only that, I've discredited Glenn Greenwald numerous times, although I must admit he does try hard."

"...there's little to sustain a self-appreciation of any such sort."

Pale Rider said...

Ha!

American Neocon is a terrified little bitch who deletes comments from his blog and pees his pants when people take him apart!

Good job!

repsac3 said...

I do notice he's practically stopped talking to me, today... ...but he hasn't deleted any comments of mine, that I'm aware of...

Sometimes he can almost seem reasonable, but then he decompensates & blows his little neocon mind, spewing insults & ad hom arguments everywhere... Strange.

Still, he's far from the worst Con offenders as far as that (ad hom & insults) are concerned, and argumentally, he's no more than a legend in his own mind... Most of his "victims" don't even give him the time of day...

Paleocon said...

American Neocon is your typical political science professor, he speaks for the sharp decline of academic standards.

repsac3 said...

When I first started reading his blog, I had a very different idea of who he was, and what he was about...

In the last several months, either he's changed or I have, but he's making much less sense than he used to... (We always disagreed, y'understand... But lately, he's been just off the wall in his style of argumentation & willingness to back up what he says... It's almost like he's angry over the fact that the NeoConservative movement has fallen into such disfavor due to Bush & Iraq, and it's clouding his judgement, or something...) Once upon a time I thought he was a good guy who just saw the world through a different political lens than I... I'm beginning to doubt that that's true, anymore...

Anyway, thanks for visiting...

Mike Tuggle said...

repsac3 wrote:

"When I first started reading his blog, I had a very different idea of who he was, and what he was about..."

Americaneocon once blogged under the title "Burkean Reflections," implying he was a small-government paleoconservative. But his consistent support of Bush's assault on the Bill of Rights and the illegal invasion of Iraq made it clear he was a Neocon, though he tried to keep up the pretense. We "outed" him on our site, as you can see by these links:

http://conservativetimes.org/?p=1190

http://conservativetimes.org/?p=1556

He's the same hypocrite with us. He'll do a drive-by slam on our site, but never sticks around to debate. Worse, he erases any comments we try to post on his site.

He's a very sad man. Like the mountain gorilla, he must realize his kind is dying out.

repsac3 said...

NeroCon's seemingly decided to avoid me, again...

We've both been posting to several threads--some where other people are also in the mix--but the good professor is not answering anything I write, anymore... He replies to others, but not me...

Is he afraid of my gargantuan intellect? (yeah, right)

Have I hurt his feelings?

Have I been posting questions for which he has no good answer?

I don't know, because he won't say...

I've taken to posting the following message at the posts where I've tried to engage him, in hopes he'll reply, aware that others will judge whatever action he does (or doesn't) take.

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Professor NeroCon: As I've said elsewhere, I cannot force you to reply to my comments in these blog posts. All I can do is point it out when you don't, and leave it to those who read our words to speculate as to why you refuse to reply...
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I wonder if it'll help...